THE HOPE DEALER | EPISODE 17
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Host: Matt Maceira | Guest: Richie Inman

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[00:00] Thanks for joining us for The Hope Dealer.

[00:03] Every week we'll take you behind the scenes of Street Ministry, sharing stories from Salem

[00:07] and beyond, talking about faith in action, and exploring what it really looks like to

[00:12] love people who were often overlooked or forgotten.

[00:14] Matt Maceira has dedicated his life to meeting people, where they are, and pointing them

[00:19] to Jesus Christ.

[00:20] Matt reminds us that no one is beyond hope.

[00:23] This is The Hope Dealer.

[00:25] Hello.

[00:26] Hello.

[00:26] Thank you all for tuning in today to this episode of The Hope Dealer.

[00:30] I've got my dear brother, dear brother Richie Inman back.

[00:33] We're going to have a conversation today, and it's going to be one that not everybody

[00:37] wants to talk about or even be in present when it's happening, for a particular reason,

[00:42] I believe, because what we're going to talk about today is sexual sin and how much it's

[00:48] one of the most prevalent and the most accessible sins that anybody can participate in.

[00:55] And it's global.

[00:57] And I believe it is one of the most significant preconditioning efforts that's taken place

[01:03] all around the world that leads into the coming of the revelation of the man of lawlessness,

[01:12] the Antichrist, because it's just denigrating societies and communities, states, nations

[01:18] all over the world.

[01:20] So we're going to talk about that, we're going to get into the scriptures, and we're

[01:24] going to speak to a bunch of the areas that this type of thing is happening.

[01:29] And so let's get started.

[01:33] So schools, you were saying you wanted to share something about schools and prisons.

[01:38] That's just basically one place to actually talk about it.

[01:41] We could all probably state as men and women that at some point in our lives, we have all

[01:48] been participants of gratifying that exactly what we're talking about.

[01:51] But as new creations in Christ, actually, we can see it more prevalent and know what it

[01:57] is, is it's the deep rooted sin of what we see, right?

[02:00] So we think about the schools.

[02:03] So I think about when I was in school and my curiosity and everything that's going on

[02:08] of I couldn't wait to be and get involved in that particular thing.

[02:13] But in today's school, it's actually widely accepted to have bathrooms where our kids

[02:19] go share bathrooms with other individuals just because we are maybe confused at maybe

[02:26] being a boy or a girl.

[02:27] So now it's more widely accepted to experience something because it's more available.

[02:33] Well, and even as you bring that up too, I believe it was in the tune of millions of

[02:37] dollars that were allocated by Oregon to put tampon dispensers in boys' bathrooms in

[02:45] the high schools, right?

[02:46] Well, but boys don't have a menstrual cycle.

[02:50] Exactly.

[02:50] So basically what we see in our streets and our communities are individuals who have went

[02:55] through the education system and been actually their education is actually how to become

[03:00] exactly what we're talking about.

[03:01] And so they're indoctrinated, maybe in their schools, which let's be honest, that's

[03:07] what's happening.

[03:08] And then we look at another note in our prison systems.

[03:12] So there are prison yards where there's nothing but transgenders and individuals that

[03:18] struggle with the sin of sexuality.

[03:23] And so our taxpayer dollars actually go into that to pay for gender assignment

[03:27] operations within some institutions.

[03:30] So that's kind of an interesting take too.

[03:32] So it's kind of no wonder our communities and families and stuff are affected and kids

[03:39] are seeing this and being indoctrinated by what they see and their curiosity and all those things. It's kind of interesting that, thank God for His word, that we are able to see those things, right? Yeah, see things for how they really are. They love everybody. Yeah. And even the folks that identify within whatever their sexual proclivity is, that's how they identify themselves. Yeah. Can be set free. Yeah.

[04:02] from the sexual sin, whatever it is, whatever kind of sexual sin that they're participating in, they can be set free from that particular sin and all other sins, because it's their sin that it separated them from right relationship. But even in the two locations, we're talking about prisons, for sure, I know it happens. And in all the schools, oppressive language is being used as a tactic to

[04:30] You know put people in a state of fear like if I don't affirm this if I don't celebrate this Then i'm going to experience consequences and and how do they know that they're going to experience consequences because they're told that Like I know that happens within the prison system. I know it happens within the school districts it happens all the time and um, it's just it's It's fascinating to me and not in a good way Right because we go in and we just address we just share it at a public school

[05:00] We talked about sin. We talked openly about sin, sin that affects teenagers. And there was people that identified within all different types of sexual proclivities that were present. And we spoke the truth in love. A bunch of students got saved in a public school setting during school hours.

[05:19] And we shared with the teacher that we were going to share. And because if we're not sharing, then this isn't the opportunity for us. And it was amazing. And I'm just going to, I'm feeling it right now. He goes, he goes after the first period, he goes, because we talked about sexual sin because it's ever, ever present everywhere you go. I mean, I, the guy that was supposed to be my stand in dad when my pops was in prison is the man that gave me my first hustler, hustler magazine.

[05:48] Yeah. Which is takes Playboy and just, you know, it's like a comic book. And I wasn't even a teenager. Right. And so I get addicted to pornography before I was even in like, I'm just barely going into middle school. And it is a particular sin. It really does remove your ability to see image bearers as image bearers. But we're talking about all this stuff because for me, I got

[06:17] a lot of kiddos, and when I wasn't having kids as a teenager, I was practicing to have kids as often as possible. Yeah. With as many different people as possible, and they were pursuing me, and I was pursuing them, right? And so we're talking about in this classroom, a bunch of kids get saved in the first period. Afterwards, the teacher comes up and he goes, he goes, well, I'm probably going to get some phone calls. And then he goes, but check this out.

[06:44] I'm on the [unclear] union, so it's three strikes before I'm out. Amen. I love that. And then we came in, did it again for a second period, a bunch more kids got saved. This truth was spoken in love. He didn't get fired. I've been able to do that in a bunch of public schools. But there, if you don't affirm the identities, they use this language and I'm like, but yeah, it's terrible. Well, you look at both cultures in not only the education system, but in the incarceration culture.

[07:15] So you're bully either way, if you're not. And you're not accepted in what everybody's doing. Like, you know, wide is the path that leads to destruction, right? But narrow is the way that leads to life if you find it. So when you look at that, like, that's, there's a truth in that. So not only there, but in, and you look in, in the prison system or the incarceration, they're actually beat if they don't get on board with what, and then when you're, when you're big hardened criminals,

[07:43] Decide that they're gonna break weak and you know, they're never getting out and they participate in that you dare not homosexuality you dare say nothing to them right because or The consequences are paid right? So that's actually prevalent in all institutions going forward in Reproducing out into community getting released from prison and so forth and so on right? So, you know sin is sin really right? It's everybody can relate to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it's just kind of interesting. It's kind of a

[08:13] uncomfortable topic for me to talk about, but in truth, sin is sin. We've all lived in sin. And one of the beautiful things you said, you were in the high schools, like I imagine, like talking to a bunch of individuals within that background of homosexuality or LGBTQ, whatever you guys want to call it today.

[08:35] one coming out of there and getting transformed by the Holy Spirit and the gospel and coming out and being a minister to reconciliation right back into the very same environment they came from, just like we came from, right? The gang world or maybe the prison system and going right back in and doing the same. So there's a plan and a purpose [unclear], and I believe that's going to happen. Like, like that's what I'm praying for, right? That's what I'm praying for. So there's a reason God is sovereign.

[09:01] These things are happening, and those that have the say and authority over things, these things are happening, but guess who is sovereign over all of it? And guess who's going to show and reveal his plan for humanity in the end of this, right? So, it's kind of a beautiful thing. That's why we share, right? Yeah. Well, and for us as believers, we've got these... I mean, Scripture is applicable to everybody, but for people that are lost,

[09:27] None of what we're saying makes sense. I remember being lost. I remember participating in all different types, watching pornography, making pornography, magazines, whatever it was. And this is just reality, folks. We're not shying away from it. It's absolutely destroying families. It's destroying communities. It's destroying children. It's destroying this nation and nations all around the world.

[09:52] It's so open and it's so prevalent like I can use a biblical term. I used to whore around yeah And that wasn't unique Especially in the drug world. It's it's everywhere. It's a part of it, right? But it's become well Something It's it's openly accepted like you're you're just sharing yourself with everybody and for us We know that when it comes to sexual sin

[10:23] It's the sin that's described as defiling a person from the inside out because our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Amen. And so lost people, they don't have any, the word of God is foolishness to those who don't believe, but for us, we have these clear, because it's prevalent in the lost, it's prevalent within people that are say they're of the household of faith. And then there's people that say they're of the household of faith.

[10:51] And they're looking for weak willed people weighed down by various lusts for the pursuit of drawing them into sexual sin. They're claiming to be something they're not, and they're moving their way through congregations all over this nation and all over the world for the purpose of that particular evil, right? Because it's an evil that comes from a heart, you know? The eyes full of adultery and promiscuities.

[11:18] And it's so destructive. It's so damaging destroys marriages destroys relationships with parents and children destroys families and the source is selfishness Ultimately selfishness run amok man. We look at like we look at what we stand in today as far as like making disciples In all the nations, but you look at households that where that's absolutely accepted and what we're talking about and actually they're making

[11:48] Disciples in the opposite of what the kingdom is and so worldly as we're talking about like you think of it's it is widely accepted matter of fact people actually make notches on their belt and boast about it like and and that's like the Or notch on the belt or bedpost. Belt for a man and a bedpost is for the woman Well, it could absolutely be like I think of in when I remember when I was in the construction trade, right? The conversation on Monday was what we did that weekend

[12:15] So you think about a godly man that goes to church on Sunday and then goes to work on Monday at the old Union Hall or whatever and that conversation is going on about what maybe some individuals like you said that don't believe are lost and it doesn't even make any sense and Then the believer has to sit there. What is his response or reaction? There's two separate things here to those conversations That he just left his wife on Sunday

[12:41] and went to work on Monday, and here we are having a conversation. I deal with that myself, if I'm going to be honest. I go to church all week. I seek the Lord all week, but yet I'm surrounded by the darkness of what we're talking about. The closer we come to the cross, the more prevalent we can see these things just open like we're talking about. People don't hide it. They boast. That's right. Ultimately, I guess we should define what

[13:07] sexual sin is according to scripture. So anything outside of marriage between one biological man and one biological woman, literally anything outside of that in oneness is sexual sin. So I've had all the pornography given to me by people who were supposed to be the ones loving and caring for me. My dad encouraged me to just be sleazy.

[13:32] And when he was around, right? Machismo was the term, which it wasn't. You're just a dirtbag. And I don't know if it's like your dirtbag. This sounds like my dad. That sounds like my dad, right? I know, yeah. You were talking about the same guy here? And then at 14 years old was the first time that I was with somebody and it was an adult woman. I'm a kid. Yeah. And I'm not calling the cops. This is great. But the more and more I engaged in sexual sin,

[14:03] It just, you're so empty. You're chasing something that you will, there's never going to be enough to satisfy you or fulfill you. And all you do is destroy yourself internally and everybody around you. You become calloused and hard-hearted to everybody around you. And it just, it was a part of the hardening which went with the rest of the life too, that it was part, you know, participating in. But really that is, I mean, anything outside of

[14:32] marriage between one biological man and one biological woman is considered sexual sin. So anything prior to marriage is sexual sin, right? Any kind of sex act, period. And I mean, even as we're talking about that, it takes me to this spot in 1 Thessalonians 4, and this is a call to sanctification. It says, this is one of those God's will statements, for this is God's will.

[15:03] Your sanctification that you keep away from sexual immorality that each of you knows how to control his own body his or her own body This is both men and women in holiness and honor not with lustful passions like the Gentiles who don't know God this means one must not transgress against and take advantage of a brother or sister in this manner and Check this out folks because the Lord is an avenger of all these offenses

[15:32] the Lord himself is the avenger of such offenses. And how significant this is to God, sexual sin, all sin is what Christ paid for on the cross, but there's some particular scriptures. It's the only one that defiles a person from the inside because we have the temple of the Holy Spirit, and he is the avenger of such offenses. Wow.

[15:58] That's powerful, right? When you're serious, these aren't just words on a page, right? Do we believe that though? Yeah, cuz I was saved and I was still involved in a lot of sexual sin, but then it was that moment Oh my gosh, you know and I was grief-stricken because I was actually saved so I had this conviction but I continued to do I was like in the midst of just habitual rejecting his will and continuing to say yes to my will and it's not unique

[16:22] I mean, some of the particulars, like in reference to violence, all this other stuff, like that went with the drug world, but the drug world is just permeates, you know? And then we see the results of sexual sin, you know, people being forced into, you know, sex trafficking, there's sextortion, like where somebody gets somebody on the hook and somebody bites.

[16:42] And then they're a person that's in the middle of whatever they're married or they're in this situation. Hey, check this out. Now you're going to keep doing this with me. Otherwise I'm blowing the roof off this place or send me money or give me money. And there's sex travel all over the world. There's nations that have sex tourism. So you go there, you pay for the trip and it's not to go in an amusement park. It's just a tour around, you know, all the brothels or all the red light districts. And that's actually the

[17:12] the trip that you're paying for ahead of time. And I know there's so many things that we can touch on in reference to this, but check this out, folks. This is really important. It's like the rest of what we've shared already. And this is both men and women. Yes. Too many people want a heavy hand, the man in this. Every porn movie I watch always had women, and some of them it was just women. And every time I was being pursued sexually in the drug world,

[17:42] It was by women and they were pursuing me, right? And then I would pursue people too. This isn't just a man issue. Like we see it in scripture. All you got to do is just look into the proverbs and reference to some of the descriptions of women. You know, they're out on the street corner, drawing everybody in and you've lay with them, you know, just check it out. So it's both men and women. And, uh, this heavy handed guy scenario is, um,

[18:11] is bogus. It's both. There are men and women that are out, and they have eyes full of adulteries and promiscuities, and they're looking to draw people into it. And they're presenting evil invitations. And unfortunately, some people accept. Well, what about, you know, we walk in communities across the Pacific Northwest and abroad, right? We run into, of course, people who are homeless and addicted.

[18:39] But what the community really, I touched on this last time I was here, the sex trafficking thing that we see presently out there, individuals willingly doing it and forcefully doing it. And then they get so used up that they wind up deep in these camps. And the powerful thing for me to really grab my head around us is who pays for that? Like some of the, we don't hear that on the news a lot, right? We don't hear that on the news a lot.

[19:09] fairly expensive for those types of things. And so the homeless people and the people that are collecting cans aren't the ones paying for it. It's sometimes like, if I'm going to be honest, it's individuals that are our neighbors or maybe individuals that are, uh, who knows? Like I could, I could, I could have an opinion or an assumption, but I see individuals in these camps that have been at one point, they were in a strip club, especially in the Bend area when we were over that way.

[19:36] Then they wind up in the homeless camp after just dumped out there walking aimlessly through the homeless camp that I think about those things and I've heard it from their mouths where they came from and that who was abusing them and individuals in nice rich cars that had picked them up and for years and then wind up in homeless camps just Oblivious to life anymore because they've been so used up shot out

[20:05] And so we see that in our communities in the homeless, vulnerable populations of addiction and homelessness too, right? Yeah, so I mean, it's ever present, everywhere you go. You can't escape it and it's pushed, it's socially acceptable, and it's so destructive. Even in reference to this, I know I touched on it just a minute ago, but it's this scripture here, and it's in Matthew 19.

[20:34] in reference to, you know, couples, right? Married couples. Verse four, haven't you read? He replied that he who created them in the beginning made them male and female. And he also said, for this reason, a man will leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.

[20:53] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate. I love that. And which opens up the doorway to what we know is, I mean, you know, people that that's applicable to the husband and the wife, right? And there's people that this ring on my finger or anybody else's finger that's here, it means nothing to them. It has no value to them or it is like we talked about earlier. It's a notch on the bedpost or a notch in the belt, right? Like if I can get the married person,

[21:24] You know then it's a trophy right right, but it's exceptionally evil Yeah, you know because you're you're separating what God has brought together. So these people entered into a covenantal Covet, you know covenant oneness in Christ, you know, that's that's so ministering to me right now because I'm newly married right you're talking about and so and so God had put a beautiful woman in my life and

[21:51] Right now, I had built all these relationships because I go out into the communities and I build all these professional relationships that I was oblivious to taking maybe a picture with somebody and what people think of that. Now that I'm married, she has been so good at showing me and teaching me the union of what God has joined together and how that makes her feel. It wasn't intentional on my part, but now I can see because of

[22:19] her heart for the Lord and what it's teaching me. So man, just imagine not having that in your marriage and your marriage being joined together by that before you were married, right? Like joined together in the flesh and then think about that and then not living for the Lord. And so I'm just, that just ministers to me so much because I just recently got married.

[22:42] Yeah, and it's it's just a powerful thing but dude like I I watch you and your marriage not to get there and and Ben and his marriage and I just watch all of you guys like I get to follow the Lord through that and disciple right into that with everything going on like I don't want to make it about me no, but Yeah, we're gonna head into You know the the next episode here in a bit with Richie

[23:11] And folks, I got to share with you. So if you are a brother, a sister in Christ, and right now sexual sin is a part of your life, I have to encourage you to repent and confess your sins and ask God for forgiveness of your sins and move forward in faith and go to the people that you've been hurting with your sexual sin that you've been sinning against and pursue reconciliation. Ask them for forgiveness.

[23:36] and move forward in faith with the intent. It opens up the door for restoration then. So confess it, ask for forgiveness, move forward in faith, and be done with it. Let it be in the rear view mirror. So it's so important. And then for those of you that are hearing and you don't know Christ, come to him for the first time and ask him for forgiveness. You'll be forgiven, get saved, believe on the gospel, and live out the rest of your life and the newness of life. God bless you all.

[24:08] Remember, hope isn't found in circumstances. It isn't found in government, politics, or possessions. Real hope is found in Jesus Christ. Thanks for joining us for The Hope Dealer. We'll see you next time as we continue sharing stories of lives changed through faith and the power of God's love. Until next time, be generous with your kindness, bold in your faith, and never stop dealing hope.